Путин угрожал США ядерной войной
Добавлено: 03 апр 2015, 14:05
Putin: try to take Crimea away and I will give you a nuclear war
BEN HOYLE THE TIMES APRIL 02, 2015 9:12AM
Putin’s nuclear threat over Baltics
Vladimir Putin speaks during a meeting in the Kremlin last week. Source: AP
The Ukraine crisis has brought the world closer to nuclear war than at any point for a generation, according to an account of a secret meeting between Russian and American military and intelligence figures.
As President Putin celebrated the anniversary of the annexation of Crimea on March 18 with an appearance at a concert outside the Kremlin, a group of retired Russian generals sat down in Torgau, Germany, with a group of their American counterparts. The assembled Russians once ran the interior ministry, the military directorate in charge of nuclear weapons, the GRU (Russian military intelligence) and the FSB (the main successor agency to the KGB). The American individuals present had similar backgrounds in the military, CIA and Defence Intelligence Agency.
Behind closed doors, over two days, the Russians delivered a series of blunt warnings from Moscow that reveal just how precarious Europe’s security has become over the past year, and how broad the gulf between the Kremlin and the West now is.
The US party at the Elbe Group talks appears to have been surprised to discover that Russian security experts believe that the US is bent on destroying their country — and that Russia is both entitled and fully prepared to use nuclear force to defend itself. That point of view reflects both Mr Putin’s assessment of Russia’s vulnerability and the KGB background shared by him and his closest advisers, according to Kremlin insiders.
Swaggering nuclear rhetoric has increasingly permeated Russian life. In a recent documentary, Mr Putin said that when he gave the instruction to annex Crimea, he also ordered that Russia’s nuclear forces be placed on full alert.
He has referred to Russia’s nuclear might many times since the Ukraine crisis began, including in remarks to a group of schoolchildren in August, when he reminded them that “Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers”, and “it’s best not to mess with us”.
Notes of the Elbe Group meeting indicate some areas where the Kremlin is open to dialogue, namely on the “future nature and composition” of the contested territory in eastern Ukraine which, the generals say, Russia wants to see become “an autonomous entity in a confederated Ukraine”.
However, they also show the detailed thinking behind the nuclear bluster. Among the “key messages delivered by Russian participants” was a warning that any military move by the West on Crimea would trigger a Russian response, possibly involving nuclear force. “The United States should also understand it would also be at risk.”
The Russian delegation said that any NATO build-up in the Baltics would prompt an increase in Russia’s “nuclear posture”, according to notes drawn up by a US participant. The warning is baldly recounted: “Russia will use its nuclear weapons against NATO.”
When discussing possible Russian action in the Baltics, it reported: “Russian members mentioned a spectrum of responses from nuclear to non-military.”
The most trenchant Russian remarks on eastern Europe were delivered by the former military intelligence chief Valentin Korabelnikov, who remains a senior adviser to the defence ministry. Since the GRU masterminded the annexation of Crimea, he is likely to have been involved in the planning. He said that the biggest threat to Russia was US activity along its borders, according to notes taken by Kevin Ryan, a retired US brigadier-general who served as defence attaché in Moscow.
Russia regards the US as an ailing superpower which is trying to create crisis situations to preserve its position of strategic superiority around the world. NATO expansion to the borders of Russia, including “NATO troop deployments in eastern Europe and the Balkans” could lead to unpredictable situations. “For nuclear powers, this is particularly dangerous.”
Russia also believes that “Ukraine could be a launching point” for unleashing fascist and Islamic extremist groups against Moscow. The “fight for resources in the Arctic” was another Russian security concern.
The Elbe Group forum was set up to improve mutual understanding between the two countries’ military and intelligence agencies, and has met six times in five years.
The Russian delegation was briefed by Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, about what messages to deliver to the Americans, according to its leader, Anatoly Kulikov, the former minister of the interior. Mr Kulikov said that Mr Putin had been briefed.
Both delegations agreed that there was a growing risk of an accidental clash between Russian and US or NATO troops in eastern Europe which could lead to “unintended escalation” and devastating consequences for the world at large.
In language that recalled the darkest days of the Cold War, they urged their respective administrations to set up a military hotline to defuse such escalations by allowing “both sides to quickly and accurately establish the facts surrounding an accident” so that commanders on the ground could “communicate with each other in a manner that avoids combat”.
The report’s conclusions, written from a US perspective, emphasise Russia’s interest in trying to involve the US in legitimising the new status quo in Ukraine. The American conclusions play down the threat of nuclear attack, suggesting that the Russians “threaten nuclear war in an effort to shock the US back to the table”.
More than 6,000 people have been killed since a Russian-backed uprising began in east Ukraine a year ago. The fighting is in a lull at the moment, with a ceasefire largely holding, but there are widespread concerns that violence will flare again with the arrival of summer.
President Obama has so far resisted a growing clamour in Washington to provide Kiev with lethal military aid to defend itself against the rebels.
The Times
для тех кто не очень с буржуйским в изложении от ВВС:
"Неприкрытая реальная угроза"
"Москва редко когда обнародовала свои намерения столь ясно, с такой неприкрытой реальной угрозой"
Times"
"Путин: попробуйте только забрать Крым, и случится ядерная война" - гласит заголовок в Times. Газета посвящает этой статье целый разворот.
По сведениям Times, в середине марта в Германии в городе Торгау состоялась секретная встреча бывших высокопоставленных российских и американских разведчиков.
В ходе нее, как выяснило издание, российская делегация высказала ряд неприкрытых угроз в адрес Запада.
"Несомненно, это были не пустые фразы ворчливых ветеранов шпионажа. По меньшей мере один генерал был непосредственно причастен к прошлогодней аннексии Крыма, еще двое офицеров помогали в разработке ядерной стратегии России", - рассказывает Times в своей редакционной статье.
Газета утверждает, что члены российской делегации перед встречей с американцами были проинструктированы министром иностранных дел России Сергеем Лавровым, а потому к их словам следует относиться крайне серьезно.
Вот три ключевых момента, на которых, по данным Times, делали акцент отставные российские генералы:
- любая попытка вернуть Крым Украине будет расценена как акт военной агрессии, в ответ на который Кремль будет готов применить против США ядерное оружие;
- Россия не потерпит размещение сил НАТО у своих границ - речь идет об Эстонии, Латвии и Литве;
- любая попытка НАТО обеспечить военную помощь Украине спровоцирует "силовой ответ" со стороны России.
Как сообщает Times, "теперь руководители западных спецслужб готовятся к тому, что Кремль начнет серию "дестабилизирующих акций" в Эстонии, Латвии и Литве, которые напрямую поставят под удар заложенные в уставе НАТО обязательства коллективной обороны".
"Эти акции могут включать в себя гражданские беспорядки с участием местных этнических русских, а также кибератаки, прямую причастность Москвы к которым отследить будет невозможно", - поясняет газета.
"Москва редко когда обнародовала свои намерения столь ясно, с такой неприкрытой реальной угрозой", - размышляет Times.
Сегодня становится очевидно, продолжает издание, что Россия не видит существенных различий между Украиной и странами Балтии, хоть они и являются членами НАТО.
"Подобное бряцание оружием в адрес стран Балтии внушает тревогу, - пишет Times - Цель Владимира Путина - продемонстрировать раскол в НАТО и поставить под сомнение авторитет альянса".
В этой ситуации Запад, по мнению газеты, должен увеличить расходы на оборону, "дабы продемонстрировать Москве, что мы серьезно относимся к политике сдерживания. Нужно понимать, где Путин нанесет следующий удар, и планировать свои действия соответственно".
"При этом Запад должен осуществлять давление на российского лидера осмысленно, принимая во внимание то, что его может сменить некто еще более грозный", - резюмирует Times.
BEN HOYLE THE TIMES APRIL 02, 2015 9:12AM
Putin’s nuclear threat over Baltics
Vladimir Putin speaks during a meeting in the Kremlin last week. Source: AP
The Ukraine crisis has brought the world closer to nuclear war than at any point for a generation, according to an account of a secret meeting between Russian and American military and intelligence figures.
As President Putin celebrated the anniversary of the annexation of Crimea on March 18 with an appearance at a concert outside the Kremlin, a group of retired Russian generals sat down in Torgau, Germany, with a group of their American counterparts. The assembled Russians once ran the interior ministry, the military directorate in charge of nuclear weapons, the GRU (Russian military intelligence) and the FSB (the main successor agency to the KGB). The American individuals present had similar backgrounds in the military, CIA and Defence Intelligence Agency.
Behind closed doors, over two days, the Russians delivered a series of blunt warnings from Moscow that reveal just how precarious Europe’s security has become over the past year, and how broad the gulf between the Kremlin and the West now is.
The US party at the Elbe Group talks appears to have been surprised to discover that Russian security experts believe that the US is bent on destroying their country — and that Russia is both entitled and fully prepared to use nuclear force to defend itself. That point of view reflects both Mr Putin’s assessment of Russia’s vulnerability and the KGB background shared by him and his closest advisers, according to Kremlin insiders.
Swaggering nuclear rhetoric has increasingly permeated Russian life. In a recent documentary, Mr Putin said that when he gave the instruction to annex Crimea, he also ordered that Russia’s nuclear forces be placed on full alert.
He has referred to Russia’s nuclear might many times since the Ukraine crisis began, including in remarks to a group of schoolchildren in August, when he reminded them that “Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers”, and “it’s best not to mess with us”.
Notes of the Elbe Group meeting indicate some areas where the Kremlin is open to dialogue, namely on the “future nature and composition” of the contested territory in eastern Ukraine which, the generals say, Russia wants to see become “an autonomous entity in a confederated Ukraine”.
However, they also show the detailed thinking behind the nuclear bluster. Among the “key messages delivered by Russian participants” was a warning that any military move by the West on Crimea would trigger a Russian response, possibly involving nuclear force. “The United States should also understand it would also be at risk.”
The Russian delegation said that any NATO build-up in the Baltics would prompt an increase in Russia’s “nuclear posture”, according to notes drawn up by a US participant. The warning is baldly recounted: “Russia will use its nuclear weapons against NATO.”
When discussing possible Russian action in the Baltics, it reported: “Russian members mentioned a spectrum of responses from nuclear to non-military.”
The most trenchant Russian remarks on eastern Europe were delivered by the former military intelligence chief Valentin Korabelnikov, who remains a senior adviser to the defence ministry. Since the GRU masterminded the annexation of Crimea, he is likely to have been involved in the planning. He said that the biggest threat to Russia was US activity along its borders, according to notes taken by Kevin Ryan, a retired US brigadier-general who served as defence attaché in Moscow.
Russia regards the US as an ailing superpower which is trying to create crisis situations to preserve its position of strategic superiority around the world. NATO expansion to the borders of Russia, including “NATO troop deployments in eastern Europe and the Balkans” could lead to unpredictable situations. “For nuclear powers, this is particularly dangerous.”
Russia also believes that “Ukraine could be a launching point” for unleashing fascist and Islamic extremist groups against Moscow. The “fight for resources in the Arctic” was another Russian security concern.
The Elbe Group forum was set up to improve mutual understanding between the two countries’ military and intelligence agencies, and has met six times in five years.
The Russian delegation was briefed by Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, about what messages to deliver to the Americans, according to its leader, Anatoly Kulikov, the former minister of the interior. Mr Kulikov said that Mr Putin had been briefed.
Both delegations agreed that there was a growing risk of an accidental clash between Russian and US or NATO troops in eastern Europe which could lead to “unintended escalation” and devastating consequences for the world at large.
In language that recalled the darkest days of the Cold War, they urged their respective administrations to set up a military hotline to defuse such escalations by allowing “both sides to quickly and accurately establish the facts surrounding an accident” so that commanders on the ground could “communicate with each other in a manner that avoids combat”.
The report’s conclusions, written from a US perspective, emphasise Russia’s interest in trying to involve the US in legitimising the new status quo in Ukraine. The American conclusions play down the threat of nuclear attack, suggesting that the Russians “threaten nuclear war in an effort to shock the US back to the table”.
More than 6,000 people have been killed since a Russian-backed uprising began in east Ukraine a year ago. The fighting is in a lull at the moment, with a ceasefire largely holding, but there are widespread concerns that violence will flare again with the arrival of summer.
President Obama has so far resisted a growing clamour in Washington to provide Kiev with lethal military aid to defend itself against the rebels.
The Times
для тех кто не очень с буржуйским в изложении от ВВС:
"Неприкрытая реальная угроза"
"Москва редко когда обнародовала свои намерения столь ясно, с такой неприкрытой реальной угрозой"
Times"
"Путин: попробуйте только забрать Крым, и случится ядерная война" - гласит заголовок в Times. Газета посвящает этой статье целый разворот.
По сведениям Times, в середине марта в Германии в городе Торгау состоялась секретная встреча бывших высокопоставленных российских и американских разведчиков.
В ходе нее, как выяснило издание, российская делегация высказала ряд неприкрытых угроз в адрес Запада.
"Несомненно, это были не пустые фразы ворчливых ветеранов шпионажа. По меньшей мере один генерал был непосредственно причастен к прошлогодней аннексии Крыма, еще двое офицеров помогали в разработке ядерной стратегии России", - рассказывает Times в своей редакционной статье.
Газета утверждает, что члены российской делегации перед встречей с американцами были проинструктированы министром иностранных дел России Сергеем Лавровым, а потому к их словам следует относиться крайне серьезно.
Вот три ключевых момента, на которых, по данным Times, делали акцент отставные российские генералы:
- любая попытка вернуть Крым Украине будет расценена как акт военной агрессии, в ответ на который Кремль будет готов применить против США ядерное оружие;
- Россия не потерпит размещение сил НАТО у своих границ - речь идет об Эстонии, Латвии и Литве;
- любая попытка НАТО обеспечить военную помощь Украине спровоцирует "силовой ответ" со стороны России.
Как сообщает Times, "теперь руководители западных спецслужб готовятся к тому, что Кремль начнет серию "дестабилизирующих акций" в Эстонии, Латвии и Литве, которые напрямую поставят под удар заложенные в уставе НАТО обязательства коллективной обороны".
"Эти акции могут включать в себя гражданские беспорядки с участием местных этнических русских, а также кибератаки, прямую причастность Москвы к которым отследить будет невозможно", - поясняет газета.
"Москва редко когда обнародовала свои намерения столь ясно, с такой неприкрытой реальной угрозой", - размышляет Times.
Сегодня становится очевидно, продолжает издание, что Россия не видит существенных различий между Украиной и странами Балтии, хоть они и являются членами НАТО.
"Подобное бряцание оружием в адрес стран Балтии внушает тревогу, - пишет Times - Цель Владимира Путина - продемонстрировать раскол в НАТО и поставить под сомнение авторитет альянса".
В этой ситуации Запад, по мнению газеты, должен увеличить расходы на оборону, "дабы продемонстрировать Москве, что мы серьезно относимся к политике сдерживания. Нужно понимать, где Путин нанесет следующий удар, и планировать свои действия соответственно".
"При этом Запад должен осуществлять давление на российского лидера осмысленно, принимая во внимание то, что его может сменить некто еще более грозный", - резюмирует Times.
